SDHGPA Forum

At the USHPA Bod meeting in SLC, I was handed the following from BK:

"Brad Hall. I have initiated a recall of your directorship as of 7:15am March 13th 2010. Bob Kuczewski."

That puts you both in the same boat.
Maybe you should try and figure out how to work together toward your mutual benefit.
Is there one?

Brad we love you, keep fighting!

Brad and the SDHGPA,

It's clear from the last two elections that we have a divided Region:

2008: Bob Kuczewski: 122 votes, David Jebb: 98 votes
2009: Jerry Katz: 72 votes, Brad Hall: 111 votes

Right now, each side has a representative to the USHPA Board. I think that's fine. We may each try to gain more representation during the annual elections (since they're going to happen anyway), but I haven't seen the need to use the recall option. I never tried to recall David Jebb, and until the recall attempt against me, I never tried to recall Brad Hall either.

If I am recalled, then that will mean that the Hall/Jebb side has 100% of our local representation and I will work to replace Brad Hall to rebalance our Directors. If I am not recalled, then I will drop my petition because we will have balanced representation.

By the way, you'll find that I don't ask for more than I deserve. I never filed suit against David Jebb or Robin Marien for my legal fees to get David Beardslee and I flying again. I could have done so, but I let it slide when Robin took over as a show of good will. How far did that go? You'll also find that I haven't filed for a dime of travel expenses for all the USHPA Board meetings I've attended. That's because I see that as our member's money. I'd be curious to know if Brad Hall or David Jebb can make that claim.

But most of all, I just want fairness for all sides. The SDHGPA has really disappointed me by opposing adding the Hawks to the Soaring Council. Now that USHPA has endorsed adding a new Chapter, I am hoping that the SDHGPA will finally drop its own animosity so we can begin to work together. It's time to get past the hatred. Mark is right that we should figure out how to work together toward our mutual benefit. Voting against these recalls would be a good start.

Brad, will you go on record advising people to vote AGAINST this recall?

Thanks in advance...

Hi,

Its ironic that the term "work together: is used. I especially like the Hall/Jebb reference which is quite ridiculous.

I enjoy the comedy everytime I check this part of the Forum.

As an outsider to this recall, I see this as more of a reaction and wakeup call to methods employed by an individual vs persecution of an individual voicing opposing views.

Opposing views are good, have been supported, and are needed in our community to help balance a direction for the benefit of all. But that direction must not be forced by one side at the expense of another or, an equal and opposing reaction will occur, and or in a worse case our ability to fly a site at all may be jeopardized. We need more consensus building and usually that means opposing parties need to be willing to compromise and meet some place in the middle or in a position of greater good for all. We also need leadership that can listen and hear all other opposing views and then speak for the community as a whole based on the consensus achieved. We also need to work positively with our local land owners and agencies with-in their systems and comfort zones through relationship building, volunteering, and becoming members of advisory committees. This usually takes time and diligence but has shown positive gains for many of our once endangered sites. Please realize that a single negative action or incident can endanger not only a single site, but all in our and surrounding areas.

Unfortunately, a lot of energy and great passion from a few individuals is being wasted and is perceptively dragging our strong positive community down through some misdirected methods of a few. Threats, blackmail, civil disobedience, and direct or indirect sabotage are not the way to build and support our or any community. We need HG & PG pilots that are willing to serve our community through positive actions and support through applying more McGregor theory Y tactics. Please realize that negative reactions of a few outweigh and undermine positive reactions of many in the elevation of a community or cause.

I do know that the past and current body of SDHGPA has worked hard to build inclusion and representation of all our pilots HG & PG, Mt to costal, beginner to expert, and Acro to XC pilots alike. This has not always been easy as it forces all to have a more open mind to opposing views and differing skill sets. But this is what is needed if we want to see the survival of our sports and flying sites that we all share and love.

Regardless of some side individual political BS, please see that our communities continue to need positive HG & PG pilots that are willing to serve our community through positive actions and positive methods. We need members and representation that are willing to be a part of the solution, not the problem.

Thank you and I am sorry this is being aired in some international forums.

Steve Rohrbaugh
Past SDHGPA President, now individual club member



PS/ Side bar editorial to set the record straight for some new to the community (by a past club president and now independent observer): In the past and current administration, SDHGPA outwardly but politically correct opposed some of the theory X handing of some issues and some shrewd business tactics by one of our past costal flight park concessionaire. On many occasions while I was President of SDHGPA I talked with those past parties and worked to have all voices heard. I saw justification in some of his actions while some others I did not. In those non justified cases, we worked toward rectification. Unfortunately some of the items in question at the time were driven by the operations bottom line to stay afloat and was not in SDHGPA’s realm of influence to change other than to voice an objection. I do know that findings and talks of similar nature continued after my involvement. Please note that this past park concessionaire is no longer involved in flight park operations or local flight politics and has since moved on and out of the area some 2.5 year ago. I find it very odd that his name is still used in some posts and should not have any basis in current discussions other than stating there was not a good choise of candidates running in the past RD election. Let’s let the past be the past and move on to the future.

Just a note on a subject that seems to keep being brought up. It is very rare for any RD to be reimbursed for travel/hotel expenses. The whole reason for the reimbursement program was so that no person would be discouraged to run for RD because they could not afford to make the trip to a board meeting. To my knowledge, the only person in recent times to apply for this was Steve Kroop, and that was to pay Davis for the misunderstanding about a misprint of dates that cost him. The majority of Rd's never apply and to make this a political issue is a classless act. If someone did need assistance with travel expenses, that should be a private matter, not a bragging point because it was not used.

Steve, Dis-information is worse than no information.
Your statement:
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Please note that this past park concessionaire is no longer involved in flight park operations or local flight politics and has since moved on and out of the area some 2.5 year ago. I find it very odd that his name is still used in some posts and should not have any basis in current discussions
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Is false, look here:
http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_d2h7mg
Maya Jebb is the owner of Air California Adventures Inc.
Please correct me if that is not David Jebb's wife.

If me or my wife owned a business, I would be involved.
Would you care to speculate as to why the current concession lease (now expired) is not up for public bids (that's how it's SUPPOSED to work) ?
Well.....of-topic....or is it?

Hi Mark,

That clears that up, I did not know that they were still holding the lease. To my knowledge they have not been involved in day to day operation or Mgt of the flight park. If I could, I would remove your sniped comment from my post, but I still find it odd.

All other opinions stand. We need leadership that will listen and use better tactics to support our community. I see all this as more of a reaction and wakeup call to methods employed by an individual vs persecution of an individual voicing opposing views. I actually think some of Bob’s ideas and actions are good and well placed, but then some actions and causes have been questionable at best.

I do not care to enter into the Torrey political debate other than stating I find it all odd. No, I do not care to speculate about the lease other than the city probably does not want to lock into a long term contract when other uses might be more profitable for them vs some other conspiracy. All the more reason for us to work with the City in a positive manner vs being an aggravation to them.

lol, Manta, a true resource! This is better than standup.

ridiculous at best